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A shout out to Brant Ginter of the Chupacabras who has already bested the all-time outdoor scoring record. Brant currently has 260 points, crushing the old record of 211 set by Shawn Pachet of the Snipers in the 2012 season. Brant tied the record way back on July 25th and then set the record on July 29th when he added another 24 points to his total in a game versus Too Old For This Sh*t.

Congrats Brant on your record breaking season. There are other records that might fall if things go certain players way but Brant's season is quite remarkable considering he broke the record before August even started!

The PIT Crew

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We have one game left to try and get to 300!!! It's not impossible..!!

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put an asterisk by this record... they force feed him the ball in the bottom division... never understood guys who care about personal stats so much, all that matters is CHAMPIONSHIPS.

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Come on, Al. Lighten up. Scoring 260 points in a season is pretty noteworthy, especially given I don't see that he's actually an upper div player (2 games in div 6 does not an upper div player make).

If he wasn't open - or wasn't good enough with the ball once he caught it - then he wouldn't have the points. Gotta give him credit for scoring, and credit to Travers for throwing it to him.

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Thank you Chris! Leave it to Al to rain on a parade! Just cause its in div 10, doesn't mean it doesn't matter!

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Don't get me started on your stacked team Chris...

am not knocking the bottom division, play at the level but when you force feed a guy the ball in the redzone every game, don't expect me to be impressed. Especially from a team that has been around for awhile and prob should have moved up.

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The scoring record is probably the most prestigious and sought after record and whether you play at the bottom or in top division it takes skill to do what Brant has accomplished. If the Chupas are force feeding Brant the ball in the redzone teams should (in my opinion) game plan to stop it. Teams are creatures of habit, they will keep doing the same thing as long as they are successful (seems logical!) and it appears the Chupas are doing a good job at keeping the record rolling despite their opponents knowing what to expect.

At 10-7 the Chupas aren't exactly lighting the division on fire and appear to be appropriately placed. Winning games and scoring points the first time you play a team is easy, doing the same thing the second and third time around once they know what to expect is the difficult part!

The PIT Crew

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Hey Al, you feel like you need to get started on my team, you go right ahead. Whatever you need to do to help yourself get through the day.

I don't care what division a person is playing - it's a BS attitude to go and try to tear down what someone's accomplished. Unless he kicked your dog or something, why don't you recruit him to play for you, instead of slagging what he and his team have done.

Like Jon said - scoring 260 points means teams aren't doing what THEY need to do to stop him.

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Like Jon said, we are 10-7, we arent crushing teams by no means, we may have scored a lot, but we also have given up the 2nd most points. Im sorry if other teams cant stop something despite the fact its happened so many times. We are at the point of the season where we have played everyone multiple times and they still haven't been able to catch on, that's not on us, that's on them. Why the heck would I not do something if it continues to be successful? I had a player from an opposing team tell me he told his guys to double cover Brant, and he still scored multiple touchdowns against them. Having one guy with alot of points doesnt mean our overall team is great. If you dont want something to happen, game plan to stop it.

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I find it funny when teams that should be in higher divisions choose to play in the bottom divisions,cobras and northend hawkeyes are a prime example.Do you really feel proud of yourselves racking up points or winning a championship when you know it wasn't an accomplishment at all?i guess some people would rather take a cheap win and lie to themselves that they did something noteworthy than meet a challenge and EARN the right to be proud.

how do hawkeyes and cobras look themselves in the mirror? not to mention they ruin the fun for teams like us that are rightfully placed in division 9 and just want a challenge but a chance to compete and win as well.

there is something seriously wrong with the league when teams like cobras and especially hawkeyes try to 'win an easy one' when they know they should be at a higher division. it ruins it for the other teams that belong in division 9. its 2 teams blowing out all the other teams and sorry to say but it's no great feat to rack up points scored in division 9 or 10 when you've been in the league for years and play against newbies

that's my peace. slice it however you want but hawkeyes and cobras are what's wrong with this league and im waiting for the man in charge to step up and do something about it.

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If you understood how the league is ran then you wouldnt be asking how these teams are in that division. Ya I play for the cobras. But the cobras the last two years were getting destroyed on the score board just like the rest of these teams are this year. I joined them at the late part of last season and even with the addition of my self the turn out was the same. No one complained when we/they got dominated. The only difference this season is that a qb was brought in who has only played a bit more then half the games this season. Meaning the original qb and my self(div 9-8 at qb) have had to play with the original team. We stayed in that division due to past years against most of the same teams who dominated us.

The north end hawkeyes have close to the same story. They changed their qb which flipped the way their season has turned out. This league is set up by past years/ skill of players.

For both teams it looks as if the whole team has picked up how the game is played and now are having success. This happens in the lower divisions. If your a new team then this is part of the learning curve of the game. Some might disagree with what im saying but ive been on a recent team that didnt have much experience playing in the league nor did I. We didn't do good at all for those two years. And my indoor team when we first started out only got one win which came down to the last play of the game. The next season was close to the same story.

No one likes being destroyed. And the cobras know that. Which is why when we get up on teams we switch to just hooks. And we dont pitch the ball. At that point if we score theirs not much we can do after that.

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Briansdog, I notice you're not listed on any team's roster. Interesting.

Every season there is at least one team placed in the wrong division. Whether they should be higher or should be lower, it happens. I had a new QB who hadn't played QB outdoor before, and wasn't sure what his availability would be. I had another new player no one had ever seen play before. My own availability wasn't certain at the beginning of the season. And, as Mr Reliability mentioned, the Cobras have been on the receiving end of some abysmal seasons.

It's just happened that the stars aligned for our team this year. The players could make it out to more than they thought, we've had guys step up and had career seasons, and we've won. It's been an 18 year road for the Cobras, so having a season where we experience more success than not (ever been blown out 70-0? Ever forfeit a playoff game? Ever go 8 years without a winning record? We have) is a nice change. We don't expect this to happen every year, just like we didn't expect to lose bad every year.

Yes, the scores have been lopsided, but we do change our gameplan when we get up on a team. We change personnel. We let the ref know we'll down it whenever the other team wants. We try to not gloat or rub it in or pitch the ball or anything like that. Aside from actively not catching, or just letting the other team score, what would you suggest we should have done?

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Max is so mad he posted the same thing 3 times to get his point across!! Lol. To this mysterious Brian fellow who doesn't seem to be on any roster, how is the league suppose to know a team that has gone 6-12 and 4-14 the past two outdoor seasons is going to start smashing teams all of a sudden? It's impossible to make ever division perfectly balanced, and it's even tougher for the lower division teams cause you can't really tell who is "good" or not since a lot of newer teams get put down there as well. The hawkeyes also moved up from the division they were in last year, it just so happens that they are still really good. Again, how can the league predict something like that ? Moving a team up and they still continue to be good. So to call out the league and say they need to "step up" and fix it is beyond stupid. I say they do a pretty good job with trying to keep everything as balanced as possible. Your post made it sound like the Cobras and Hawkeyes are just awful human beings. I'd also like to see you try to run a league with 80+ teams and try to make it so every division is equally balanced.

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That is all

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justify it however you want but both cobras and northhawks know based on the experience they have that they should be in higher divisions. I guess they don't like a challenge and they don't like earning anything. its going to be a joke no matter who wins div 9. a bunch of clowns that have played in the league way too long to be trying to win a 'cheap one' in div. 9 see you all on the 'turf'

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It is unfortunate that people do not respond with their names. It may be a future league policy that posts must come from verified sources.

For example, I get an email once every couple months from a random unverified source who condemns one of our lower division teams. Never a real name, no one that can be verified on the site, always a different alias and email address. I always reply that we will look into things once I get their team or name verified so we can work with that person/team. They never respond and a couple of months later I get a similar email from a different address which I assume is just the same person as the emails are written very similarly tearing down the same team. Seems like a lot of work to me but we cannot unfortunately take the email seriously without more information.

I would not let the post bother you, without a name take it with a grain of salt.

The PIT Crew

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briansdogg,

How would anyone know whether they'll meet you? You're not on a roster anywhere. In fact, you've never been on a roster in the league. Seems to me that until you can prove you actually play here, your opinion on the matter is pretty much moot.

Carry on.

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Not much of an excuse for the league owners that it's difficult to organize a league of 80 teams. more like incompetency. Ive spoken in person with many of you this season jon.

how difficult is it to check the rosters and check on your very own website how much experience they have and their past divisions? give me a break.

I should have known better than to sign up for div 9 and waste my money due to the same culprits trying to 'win a cheap one' waste of my time and money. this will catch up with you soon. teams/people are going to start to drop out in significant numbers.

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jon I've spoken with the guys in charge on numerous occasions and I get the same overused line, we'll look into it. nothing ever changes. it's the same culprits taking advantage and running up the score on us newer teams and inexperienced players as if they are doing something great. i'd like for them to take on a challenge n move up a responsible bit and play teams on their level.they wont do it cause they don't have the balls or the integrity.

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Sorry I still don't know who you are but at any rate if teams do well one season they will be moved up the next. Cobras and Hawkeyes won't be in the division next year. Also if I am not mistaken the Cobras team who has been with the PIT since its inception have not won a championship nor even come close. If they win this year they should be congratulated...and be forced to move up next year. Cobras went 4-14 last year in Div 9. They added a couple of players and we kept them in the same division considering they got smoked last year. NE Hawkeyes went 14-4 in div 11 and were moved up to division 9 after losing in the finals to TD Twisters. TD Twisters were also moved up to 9 after winning the championship and are now 1-15 unfortunately. There is a method to the madness, most of the time the method works as I believe we have better parity that any touch football league has ever had.

I do not believe that Mr. Dogg would have shot the Cobras up multiple divisions if said Dogg were in our position at the beginning of the year. Please stop lifting your leg on other teams. Instead save your energy and put it towards developing a game plan to beat them come playoffs. I will take a well developed game plan up against any team despite any perceived size, speed, skill or whatever differences may exist and believe it will be successful more times than not!

The PIT Crew

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I don't pretend to know the lower divisions, but for my own curiosity, i went and looked at the 2013 roster of the Cobras and compared it to the 2014 Roster. I also then looked at the QB they added who at the highest level in outdoor QB'd a div 7 team to a 1-17 record in 2012.

If i was the owner of the league, i am not sure i would have placed them much differently based on the history of their team and previous lack of success in the league for these QB's (no offence). Obviously i would have been maybe "wrong" as well, but i can't say i'd be that angry about it as a player. Next year the Cobras will be in a bit higher of a division, so it will be adjusted assuming they return with this roster.

In my mind the only way to avoid / prevent that would be to take away the multi-team rule, which would then allow the league to move teams throughout the season. So if someone starts 0-8 and is getting killed, then they move down, and if a team is 8-0 they move up etc..... however, i for one wouldn't like this as i enjoy playing on more then one team and i like playing with different groups of friends.

Either way - any team is beatable. Good on the Cobras for finding a way to finally start winning and we will see them a div or 2 higher next year i assume.

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Man, talk about a baby, maybe you just shouldn't be playing football than. If you're going to post things about people and the league, at least have the decency to use your real name and don't hide behind fake alias. GO COBRAS! and GO HAWKEYES!

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Boy....that escalated quickly. Chris killed a guy.

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I was going to say.... the irony of accusing someone of lacking balls and integrity while not having a real identity on the forum is a little thick.

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All sorts of wacky things happen in the lower divisions Neil, there's some dude down here will 260 points! Despite the fact the dude throwing to him is awful and left handed and makes the ball spiral the other way. I think trying to make a schedule with teams moving up and down would just create a big mess. You'd almost have to break it up into two mini seasons. The league just can't make EVERYone happy, The NFL is the most successful run league in North America and players still take issue with the commish! So, in the end(In my Stephen A Smith voice) if you aren't happy playing in the league, you have every right to say what you want, but don't use fake names to try and get your point across like Mr.Dogg has done. One of the best things about this league is they let you post whatever you want(most of the time).

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Constructive criticism is a great thing. I think as owners Scott and I are always willing to listen and many of our policies have been developed and reshaped based on the suggestions of our players. Please keep in mind that suggestions are always welcomed here. We always endeavor to try to make this the best league in all of recreational sports. We are the biggest touch football league for a reason and I think we are doing a better job today then when we started and next year will be even better than this year...which is a great segue into saying we have some huge announcements coming in the near future which should make teams and players very happy!

The PIT Crew

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I guess the onus falls on the experienced players also and no just the pit crew to have the decency and integrity to not play in the low division to win the cheap one.I guess some peoples lives are lacking so they try to accomplish petty 'feats' in a beer league to make themselves feel better even if it's a championship in a div 10 or 9 division.
much of this comes from an argument I had on the field with a guy who was showing off about how many points he has on the season and I reminded him that he's a very experienced player playing against newbies in div 9. it's one thing to win graciously and another to run up the score playing against inexperienced players. it's classless and pathetic. that's another thing. I don't understand why some guys act like some stats in a football league is something to brag about.guess in their mind it makes up for having an ugly wife or a job they hate.
I guess we'll keep playing for fun and in the future we will not join or will bring several experienced players to help us out in the bottom divisions.

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You see, you actually made some fairly decent comments in that posting. Instead of just coming on here and bashing everyone and everything about the league annnoymously, use your actual name and talk to the Jon and Scott about issue you have. They are the most approachable people you can ever meet. And if you bring on a bunch of experienced players to play on your team in a lower div, how is that any different than the issues you are getting mad at?

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You know you can offer constructive criticism without insulting everybody right?

If you have an issue with the way the league is run you really have to take it up with Jon or Scott in person rather than anonymously complaining on a message board and taking away from another players accomplishment.

That being said, I'd like to extend some congratulations towards Brant and the Chupacabras. Crushing that scoring record can't have been easy.

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I've played in three different outdoor leagues over the years and I'll say that the PIT is run at least as well as the others and usually much better. That has a lot to do with Jon and Scott and the dedicated ref crew they have mustered.

I've also played against the Cobras and NE Hawkeyes in past seasons and know that they are generally pretty good sports. I do not think they would be intentionally going into a low division simply to pound newbies and gloat about it. Quite frankly I think most people would agree that winning by 40+ points is not as fun a game to play as one where you lose by a few points.

Handicapping divisions is probably just as difficult as handicapping pro-football, and if you're really good at that your living the high life in Vegas not playing in/running touch football leagues in Winnipeg.

Al

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all i can think of:

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briansdogg: The biggest beef I have (aside from the anonymous alias that, quite frankly, reeks of Internet Tough Guy Syndrome) is that you make assumptions about someone else's intent. If instead of disparaging comments about our integrity, decency, self-worth, etc., you'd said, "It seems these two teams are in the wrong division, judging by their records and the scores. Sometimes it's easy to believe they're running up the scores on other teams, based on this behaviour that I observed," you wouldn't come across as a bitter, whining, sore loser.

See the difference?

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NO cobra, there really is no difference except for being a politically correct wuss. I call a spade a spade. I look forward to watching you guys taken to school by hawkeyes (the slightly lesser of 2 evils looking for the cheap championship with an asterisk) in the championship game.

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I see why you're hiding what team you're on. I wouldn't want my teammates to know I was writing them off, either.

Good luck.

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Miss a week miss a lot. Holy crap thats a lot to digest. One thing I can definitely agree on is the comment made by tccool in regards to the Chupacabras "Despite the fact the dude throwing to him is awful and left handed and makes the ball spiral the other way."

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It really sucks when your team used to beat teams like the cobras and demon llamas and now your getting beat like that by them this year. Must really anger you. You would think if your this sensitive about the cobras running the score up you'd appreciate it when I kneed the ball instead of running the field. For more points after asking you guys to down it. I guess it makes you tough to sit on the bench while your team plays and say how your going to break my knees. If your going to hide your name dont say things that give your self away.

By the way my names max jenson #3 for the cobras. The guy who you got into an argument with cus I wouldnt score on you.

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Sooo.... Max , do you know who this mystery person is?

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I thought your name was Max Jeanson (as misspelled by me every instance that Max's name is on this website). Stop hiding your true identity with this Jenson alias of yours!

Make it easy on the PIT Crew and change your last name to Power.

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I will completely concede this, every time a division doesn't have all teams finish with an even 9 and 9 win loss record, then Jon and I are not satisfied with our own alignment decisions. Despite what some people may believe, we are diligent with said alignment process. The PIT crew (Jon and myself) have spent up to 100 hours, evaluating teams, including previous records, player additions, trending tendencies, including age of team and developing rivalries (pipe in Cypress Hill here, as we eventually feel insane).

I think the PIT league offers great value for us "Weekend Warriors" who have the need to compete. So my suggestion is to win despite the odds, as those are the greatest victories.

I'll say one thing about the Cobras team. I absolutely hope they win a championship soon, because using the laws of average, they are overdue. There is no way the Cobras can be called cheaters after they have struggled for nearly 2 decades without a sniff of a championship. You really should reevaluate your position if you want to rain on their "regular season" parade!

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who cares what the cobras and hawkeyes do in the do in the regular season? come playoff time The hype will destroy any team that gets in our way! Believe that!!! haha but first I will do my best to destroy Regina this weekend! Go Blue!!!

Jay Santos

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Woah woah woah.....this is someone who ran up the score on the Demon Llamas? God that could be just about anyone ;) LOL good times

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Since this thread has a record number of posting, can Brant get credit for holding this record as well? Technically it started off about him.

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Lol brant should get this record. Btw congrats on the record hope you hit the 300 mark that would be extremely impressive.

And my last reply to this thread: :)!

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So, just thought I'd add my 2 cents to this thread even though it's getting a bit ripe...first of all, to Max (Jensen) Power: in regards to the game you mentioned. Some of the guys didn't appreciate the fact that you went down on one knee rather than run in for a score because they interpreted this gesture as you saying, "I've made you guys look so bad so I'll just be condescending by dropping to one knee and letting your defender tag me." I know this wasn't the intent, but rather an attempt at sportsmanship. But if we meet in the playoffs and you have the opportunity to score, it would be better if you just went for it....either that or pretend to trip and fall.

And for the love of God, I hope you're wrong about the identity of Brain-less Dog and this ass-hat isn't on my team.

BTW, I'm Kevin(old guy) Oakley from Gotham Knights...if anyone cares.

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Fake alias! It says Tyrone Oakley! You're not Kevin!

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As the captain of the gotham knights I would also like to say that I hope this is not one of my players. I just heard of this tonight from kevin and I am shocked by the shots at jon and scott of how they run the league. They are not perfect but do an outstanding job running the league trying to please everyone. Do they make mistake yes but everyone does. Are the cobra and hawkeyes having great seasons, yes and good for them. Yes got beat bad our last game against cobras, but I chalk it up to key players on my team missing and felt with those players it would have been closer. I know on our loses to hawkeyes we made mistakes that led to us losing as a team. Maybe those who feel that jon and scott are not doing things to perfection should talk to them and offer to volunteer to give them a hand. They have full time jobs and put in many sleepless hours I'm sure to try to give us the best league possible.

Cory Warren #21 Gotham Knights

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I just read this entire thing...cause work is boring right now. lol This dogg guy is hilarious. FYI I care about states, because like you said it helps me get over having an ugly wife and shitty job...how else am I supposed to fullfill my dreams of playing in the nfl if I don't collect stats? How will the scouts find out about me???

Also I think the league should make one change...I think who ever plays the enforcers should be forced to buy us beer. It's only fair....for us.

Honestly though, these guys do a great job of running this thing. I've been apart of different leagues...some that have ended mid season....I've been around long enough (not that long though) that I've been a part of horrible seasons and awesome ones. It happens. Best to just drink some beer and hope for better results next year. Or you could, you know, try getting better yourself instead of blaming others for your crappy play.

Jon Doherty #11 (cause the only thing better than #1 is 2 #1's) Enforcers!

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If I didn't know better Jon I would say that was sarcasm.

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I'm serious about the beer though...

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I'm aware of your beer seriousness.

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beeriousness

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This thread certainly has had it all. It seems to have died out over the past month but it isn't finished. Every story needs an ending. Now we finally have one.

Congrats to all of this season's record holders. Well played.

Congrats to this season's Div 9 Champions.

Not The Cobras, though they played great in the semi-final.
Not the Hawkeyes, though they too played great in the championship game.

This season it was time to believe the hype.

Congrats to the 2014 Div 9 champions "The Mediocre White Hype".

As John Madden used to say, "That's why they play the game."

Of course, I may be naïve in assuming dogg was trying to make a singular point about balanced divisions and not just complaining for the sake of complaining. Time will tell.

I would like to offer this opportunity to anyone who feels that the division was unbalanced to speak now or forever hold their peace. Otherwise, great season everyone. Thanks to the PIT CREW for putting this all together (as if our money wasn't thanks enough) :)

Sincerely,
#33 Ian Milne, QB of The Mediocre White Hype

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Congrats to mediocre white hype and Ian for playing an outstanding and respectful game against us and knocking off north end hawk eyes to win the championship!. I definitely had fun playing against you guys. And i hope to have more games against you guys in the future.

Max

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Believe that anything goes come playoffs...and believe in the HYPE!!!!!

Congrats gentlemen for turning the division on its head. Any given Sunday, and believe the hype.

The PIT Crew

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I guess this is where I come in and say I told you guys.. hahaha

Would like to thank my team for not making a liar out of me.

Way to play as a team when it counted.

The Hype is real!!

Jay Santos