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Posted by tccool
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May 30, 2015 12:18 PM |
So, from what I have read on the PIT site rule book, in order for a catch to be called a catch, the player has to have possession of the ball, and the rotation of ball has to be stopped, correct ? Also, again according to the rules te ground can not cause and incomplete pass, correct ? Well On two plays in a row during our game last night (bullet club vs blast from the past) both of this things happened. On the first play my receiver had caught the ball in bounds, stopped the rotation , then was contacted by a defender which caused my receiver to hit the ground causing the ball to pop out. One ref wasn't sure what to call , and the other called it incomplete. I see this happen so often and never know what call is going to be made because certain refs will call it a catch , and certain refs call it incomplete. On the next play a different receiver of mine caught a ball, and again stopped the rotation of it , hit the ground and the ball came lose. This was also called incomplete. After the game was over the explanation we were given on the 2nd play was " he didn't make a football move before the ball came out" . He specifically said "football move" multiple times. I don't know if the rule book has been updated and I just don't know about it, but It doesn't say anywhere about having to make a football move im order to be considered a catch. I don't care about the win or loss, I just want the rule to called consistently. If it's not a catch, then it's not a catch across the board, if it is a catch, then call it a catch across the board.
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Posted by jon
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May 30, 2015 12:31 PM |
You do have to make a football move in addition to stopping rotation of the ball. Stopping rotation is only half the equation.
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Posted by tccool
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May 30, 2015 12:43 PM |
So were those two instances I described be considered incomplete passes?
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Posted by jon
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May 30, 2015 01:02 PM |
I would need to see both of them for sure but a catch and football move must be made. So for example if rotation was stopped just prior to hitting the ground then the pass could be ruled incomplete, if a receiver caught the ball took a step then went down then the ground could not cause an incomplete pass.
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Posted by cmack
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May 30, 2015 01:16 PM |
Where in the rule book does it say "football move"? This isn't the NFL.
The rule is ... Quarterback throws a pass to O7. O7 dives headlong to catch the ball, gains control of the ball, but as O7 lands the ball pops free and it makes contact with the ground. Interpretation: This is considered a legal catch. The criteria of stopping the rotation and influencing its subsequent direction have been met. The ground cannot cause an incomplete pass.
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Posted by jon
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May 30, 2015 01:27 PM |
Control and stop rotation are different. If I stop rotation as I hit the ground and the ball pops out it is not a catch. If I gain control (ie. pull the ball into the body or some other football move) then hit the ground and the ball pops out it can be ruled a catch. Again a bit of a moot point because unless there is a video showing the play I couldn't let you know definitely if I would consider the play you have in question a catch or not.
Take it away Mike Pereira
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Posted by cmack
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May 30, 2015 03:20 PM |
Both were brought to the body, one dropped due to contact from another player and one dropped from contact with ground.
NFL video clips are irrelevant. The rule of a catch in our league and in pro ball are not the same.
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Posted by jon
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May 30, 2015 11:47 PM |
You must make a football move, I believe by the sounds of things I trust that our referees have ruled correctly. The ground and a player can cause the ball to be dislodged and in the absence of a football move it is potentially not a catch. Without video of the play I cannot answer your question definitively. Not sure how we can be more clear.
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Posted by kylehosein
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May 31, 2015 08:00 AM |
Hey! I was at that game and have video! This should clear up any confusion about whether or not there was a completed catch at Bullet Club's game.
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Posted by MR. RELIABILITY
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Jun 01, 2015 12:13 PM |
Ground Contact Knocks Ball Loose
The definition of a legal football catch involves more than just securing the ball in the receiver’s hands. The receiver must complete the process by performing “an act common to the game” or by maintaining “complete and continuous control” if he contacts the ground while catching the ball. For example, if a player dives for the ball, secures it in his hands, but then loses control when the ball touches the ground, the pass is incomplete. The rule applies on the regular field of play and in the end zone.
http://livehealthy.chron.com/can-football-touch-ground-being-caught-3325.html
Professional sports are always used as an example for minor or amature sports. High school football in Winnipeg is based of cfl rules. as i would assume our league would be based of the form of cfl or nfl rules with out the tackling.
I know for me if i cought the ball and going out of bounds i must hold the possession of it. In order to keep it as a catch as their should be no reason for me to drop it and still argue it as a catch. As diving for the ball and hitting the ground i should be able to pull the ball into my body when hitting the ground. Thus having control as i was able to make the catch. And move the ball into my body showing that i have control and possession of the ball. (In urban dictionary terms or madden terms. "A football move") if catching the ball with my hands and my arms extended. I must hold onto the ball and not allow the ground to force is out. As i have only stopped rotation and not shown control as the ground forcing me to drop it has clearly proved that. (Just as if i was running and caught the ball and the defender swatted the ball out of my hands. I stopped rotation should i be rewarded with the catch since i never proved i had control of the ball?)
*This is my opinion of the understanding of the rules of amature and professional sports which our sport is based off. *
Abd if its not based of football? Then what what are we playing? Lol
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Posted by Spider
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Jun 17, 2015 06:50 AM |
I am a level five touch football official. I train the refs. The definition of a catch involves possession, which is defined as stopping rotation of the ball AND exhibiting the direction of the ball.
What that means is in the fundamental of catching a ball, you have to start the action of tucking the ball away. For non football players that means beginning to tuck it away between your elbow and armpit (that would be the exhibiting direction of the ball). If those two criteria are met, it should be recognized as a catch.
If not, refs discretion
On a side note if the ball is jarred loose by a collision it could still be a catch, but certainly a rough tag, so that would get you the gain.
With regard to contact with the ground....did the receiver exhibit influence of the direction of the ball before he lost it? If so, should be a catch, if not, no catch.
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